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Revolution, maybe

But it’s very striking that at the end of that section I had with her [Laurie Tisch], she said: At the end of the day, it’s hard to convince someone like me to give up power.

So I said: Then how do you change this kind of thing? How could this kind of thing ever change?

And her words were: “Revolution, maybe.”

Anand Giridharadas on the Ezra Klein Show